Posted at 02:14 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | Today, a new law came into effect here in Germany: no computer game without 'grading' for which ages it is suited may be sold anymore. This law was passed after a student of a school killed some of his teachers some time ago - someone found a 'shooter' game in his room and the media jumped on it. The thinking behind the new law is roughly this: games get 'graded' by an organisation called USK and then, these games may only be sold to people above the age they've been passed for. Games without USK grading are automatically treated like '18+'. That means they can't even be displayed on the shelves of the stores anymore, but can only be sold at request from 'under the counter'. The effect of this is basically that almost no shops will carry such games at all anymore (as shown from experience with games which were on 'the index' before - with the same effect). The really bad thing about this is that grading by the USK has to be paid for by the copyright holder of the product! No big deal for big companies and their new games, but what about all older games? Those have to be taken from the shelves if the respective company doesn't have it graded. What about smaller, non-German companies? It would hardly be worth it for them to get their game graded in Germany - resulting in the total loss of this market (and people here not being able to buy those games). Again, a stroke of genius from our great government... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 03:29 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 421 | They wen't a bit extreme there didn't they, you would think somethnig like what we have in place for all games and music cd's here would sufice. Games have either no sticker (suitable for all ages), A black sticker with a warning message on it (Some unsuitable content but still anyone can purchase it) or a Red 18+ sticker with again a warning about the content. But really people have to be more messed up then just saying it was the computer game that made them kill people. ----- Not all That Glitters Is Gold, Not All Those Who Wander Are Lost. |
Posted at 04:37 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | Example of the effects of this law: Linuxland took down the games section of their online store, because they sold products of small companies (or even only individuals) there which don't have the money to get their games 'rated'. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 05:42 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | And how will this affect, let's say shareware and freeware developers who reside elsewhere? Will the German courts repeat what the Frenchmen did when they sued Yahoo for selling nazi memorabilia? ----- [b]NetDanzr[/b]<br /> [i]-The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog-[/i] |
Posted at 08:27 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | That remains to be seen. You have to keep in mind this law was written by people who have never in their whole life used the Internet or played a computer game, so they don't take such things into account. It's the same people who planned a law banning all 'adult' content from the Internet before 11 PM! Edited by Mr Creosote at 16:28 on April, 01st 2003 ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 11:53 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | A Telecom law went into effect in Michigan (where I live) yesterday, that is worded such, that it makes all internet browsers illegal. This in turn makes Windows illegal since IE is integrated into it. Also, you cannot "conceal" any telecom device, such as a cell phone. It's all just dumb stuff. ----- [i]Keep your stick on the ice[/i] |
Posted at 11:57 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | Hmm... and what is the supposed purpose of this anti-browser law? ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 13:08 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 268 | Quote: The really bad thing about this is that grading by the USK has to be paid for by the copyright holder of the product! About how much does it cost to be graded?Edited by Da_Goat at 21:08 on April, 01st 2003 ----- Mock ugly people. Praise ugly goats. |
Posted at 13:26 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | That is another thing nobody knows. The USK's homepage has a section for game producers, but it's password protected. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 14:02 on April 1st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 743 | Pure idiocy. What I wonder is when people will quit taking the easy way out by blaming games/tv/music/whatever for their children's problems? As far as actually getting the un-graded software, how tough are germany's importation laws? Can you simply order the software online (from a site outside of germany, obviously) and have them shipped to you, or go to a nearby country without such foolish laws, buy the software, then bring it home? ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 06:52 on April 2nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Tuss: Browsers are not outlawed. Only disguising your IP address or the origin of any communication is outlawed. That means, that: * You cannot use NAT address, and thus each computer in your house has to have a separate Internet connection, with a unique IP number * You cannot use programs that encode any part of your e-mail messages * You cannot use devices that hide your phone number on Caller ID devices. And if anybody was wondering, the bad guy in this case is the MPAA. They claimed that ISPs could not prosecute all Internet pirates because they were hiding their presence by browsing anonymously, so they lobbied the government to enact this law. The same law is in process of being passed in many other US states. ----- [b]NetDanzr[/b]<br /> [i]-The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog-[/i] |
Posted at 07:34 on April 2nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | Oh well, it just looks like one of those laws to add more sentence time when it comes down to prosocuting a pirate. I doubt they'll enforce this law specifically, but I guess this means the end of *67, the thing the telephone company supplies that lets you hide you from Caller ID. So what types of games are under the 18+ range? And what about sale on the internet? That does seem like a horrible overreaction, as we have people get killed in our schools here about every month, and if anybody blames video games, they get labelled as an extremist facist. ----- [i]Keep your stick on the ice[/i] |
Posted at 09:53 on April 2nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | Quote: Can you simply order the software online (from a site outside of germany, obviously) and have them shipped to you, or go to a nearby country without such foolish laws, buy the software, then bring it home? Yes, it's easily possible to order software from abroad.Quote: So what types of games are under the 18+ range? All which aren't tested by the USK. Other than that, mostly gory shooter games.----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 03:18 on April 25th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | I know experienced this new law first hand: Yesterday, I ordered a collection of classic games (see a list of games below). Today, I received a (personal, not automated) e-mail explaining they need to see a copy of my id before they can send it to me. These games are in the collection (as you can see, they're all completely harmless): Tiebreak, Hannibal, Space Max Aunt Artic Adventure Charon V Dithell In Space Scorched Tanks Diamond Caves, Diamond Caves 2 Maniac Ball, Master Blaster) Island of lost hope Lords of War Torch2081 Lethal Xcess Monster Business Lost on Parrot Island Barravento Bomb Mania Bandit Mania Technology 2 Winning Post Beneath a Steel Sky Antz, Hilt Hilt 2 Hideous Hoi Aga Remix Ports of Call Ziriax Zarathrusta Fatman Beneath a Steel Sky Lure of the Tempress Sixth Sense Investigations Maupiti Islands Tower of Souls Crystal Dragon Embryo XTreme Racing Wheelspin Vroom Formula 1 Manager Mahjong Tanglewood Blade Obsession Pinball Tactical Manager 1 and 2 ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 09:34 on April 25th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | Okay, usually I'd be all like, "Awww, that really stinks" but you know what? You have the ability to get a collection with that many games in it. I just have to say, wow. ----- [i]Keep your stick on the ice[/i] |
Posted at 09:39 on April 25th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | Quote: You have the ability to get a collection with that many games in it. So can you - if you're 18 or older It's not as great as it sounds though, because it's just two CDs with the games on them, no boxes, printed manuals or extras.----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 09:03 on April 28th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Anyway, I've just read on another board that FIFA 2002 is banned in Germany, because Oliver Kahn didn't like the way he looked in the game, sued and won a temporary injunction. Is there any truth to this story? ----- [b]NetDanzr[/b]<br /> [i]-The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog-[/i] |
Posted at 09:13 on April 28th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11522 | I don't know if the game is actually taken off the shelves, but the story is basically this: Kahn claimed EA didn't have the rights to use his face in the game. EA did buy the rights from some player organisation though. Then there is a blank in my knowledge - it was something about the names being included in the license, but not the faces. The court now had to decide if the face in the game looked 'different enough' to be considered 'unofficial'. Apparantely, the graphics were too good and Kahn won ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |